A Reply to Lindspeedjedi.com from Ed Ward reguarding cm/cl Skagit Casting

Ed Ward, aka RiverAddict on Speypages posted the following comment on Speypages response to this blog post about constant motion, continuous load Skagit casting.

I presented my “new” thoughts regarding CM/CL

Above: Ed Ward explains his style of Skagit casting.

Here is a poorly executed Skagit cast. Too much creep happening after the sweep. The anchor sinks back into the water but the forgiving, heavy Skagit head lifts it back out.  It makes a fishable cast but nothing to write home about. Ed Ward does not lift his hands much, if at all, after the sweep and keeps the anchor light and D loop tight for his style of casting.

Here is another one that is better but still exhibits creep.  Too much arm movement before the forward cast. Good Skagit casters limit arm movement and seem to rotate that top hand wrist.

7 thoughts on “A Reply to Lindspeedjedi.com from Ed Ward reguarding cm/cl Skagit Casting

    1. Thanks Tobias. I agree and even posted that on Speypages in one of my comments. Of course, since pausing is an option it could be called IM/CT Intermittent Motion / Continuous Tension.
      Intermittent definition: Occurring at irregular intervals; not continuous or steady. Synonyms sporadic, irregular, fitful, spasmodic, broken, fragmentary, discontinuous, isolated, random, patchy, scattered…Hmmmmm…On second thought forget it. That’s starting to hit a little close to home!

  1. I’ve noticed something with shorter rods and heads that might be useful:

    It is possible that by not applying enough force during certain phases we (meaning all of us) set ourselves up for larger hand and arm movements in an attempt to add energy or tension that should have been “built in” earlier in the sequence. The larger hand and arm movements can become a compensating move, a “make-up” that we do reflexively, and a “tell” that something isn’t right elsewhere in the cast.

    I agree, a “tighter” casting box and more compact movements would have helped you here–good self diagnosis!

  2. Don’t be too hard on yourself, the casts flew out fine with no appreciable shock waves. Both casts shown could have used a bit more “juice” in the sweep to the rear (a simple matter of properly balancing the amount of force between the rearward and forward strokes), and that would leave the casts pretty much perfect, in my opinion. As far as the anchor “sinking” on you–yes if it sinks under a simultaneous loss of tension, I could agree that would be “creeping”. If you feel full tension in your hands through out however, that doesn’t fit the definition of creep (rod movement while the system is not under tension).

    If others define creep differently in order to better understand or explain their own casting styles, so be it.

    1. Thanks Greg, good to hear from you on this. Totally agree that I need a bit more juice in the sweep. Possibly it would help if I stayed tighter in the box. That’s a pretty old video and I think all of the Scandi practice I did all summer will help somewhat with keeping my hands more in front of me and keeping the hand movements smaller. I do rarely blow an anchor but I think I need to push the envelope more.

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